The GUS Daily Digest Saturday, 17 June 1995 Volume 23 : Number 017 Today's Topics: Toshiba XM5302B CD Rom Drive Re: xwing TV GUS patch problems? Mr. Timmerman's response and other stuff... RE: The GUS Daily Digest V23 #16 Re: Dark Forces Toshiba 4x vs Sony 4x Need info on TEAC 4X CDROM response from Gravis@aol.com Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcossin@pgt041.cpd.ford.com (Jon Cossin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 7:30:57 EDT Subject: Toshiba XM5302B CD Rom Drive I just purchased a Toshiba XM5302B CD Rom Drive. The drive didn't come with any disk or drivers. Does anyone know where I can get them? Also, can I hook this CD-Rom up to my Gravis Max? Thanx, Jon ------------------------------ From: Harry C Pulley IV Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: xwing There are two files for xwing, xwngsnds.zip and xwingupd.zip. They are definitely not on epas, unless someone has put them into the submit directory recently. You might find them on orst but I would attempt to log into wuarchive (better try at 4:00am or you probably won't get on) or the UK site. Or, get megaem 3.03b or 3.04b. They fix a lot of problems and while they aren't perfect yet you don't need (can't use) the aforementioned .zip files with xwing and pmode megaem since it uses a preset instrument bank file. You may be able (I will try soon, meant to do so but forgot) to set up a special bank for megaem 3.0xb which includes those patches, I don't know. I'll try it and see. Harry <:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca | This message released to the PUBLIC DOMAIN \ Harry C. Pulley, IV | Mind/Matter=Communication/Transportation - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Real programmers don't drink Zima|Read Melissa Scott's Trouble_And_Her_Friends ------------------------------ From: "Jordan 'Daf' Peot" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: TV GUS patch problems? Has anybody experienced any problems using the Terminal Velocity GUS patch? Before I got it, I was using the crappy little SB clone taking up useful space in my computer that I keep around for compatability, and I had no problems with the game... Once I installed the patch, and tried to run it with my GUS, I have problems up the wazoo... The first one is that I can't run the music in either stereo or surround mode... If I try, I get all sorts of static, and noise... Secondly, I have a Gravis Gamepad hooked up to the joystick port on the SB clone, and I get horrible drift when using it.... I've tried using the port on the GUS, but no games ever recognize it... I can't figure out how to disable the port on the SB... On top of that, I have a game port on my I/O card that I can never get anything to recognize either.... If I can't figure this out, I'm going to be stuck listening to the music played through a cdappy SB that won't even do sampling rates of over 22kHz... ARGH! I'm running this on: Pentium 60, 32MB RAM S3 801/805 chipset (cheesy video card) GUS revision 2.4 1M I'd appreciate any help anybody can give... Thanks! - -Jordan |%% % %%%| Daffy Duck (aka Jordan C. Peot)---> daffy@eagle.ais.net *NARF* | |% % % % % | -------------------------------------------------------------- | |% % %%% %% | "Tactless, yet rude." - Slappy Squirrel | >OKILOVEYOUBYEBYE!!< | |% % % % % | "Nothing, I am a mouse in a large mechanical suit." -- Brain | |%% % % % | >sLp< "Just your run-of-the-mill flying outhouse." - Sam >sLp< | ------------------------------ From: bbaskin@mail.utexas.edu (Bryan K. Baskin) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:19:17 EDT Subject: Mr. Timmerman's response and other stuff... Hey Timmerman, Look, the lines had LH's and devicehigh's cause they were cut and pasted from another boot that did need memory manager's to load CD-ROM driver's high. Regardless, this setup does run Descent faster than with memory managers, which was the question i was answering. It's a fact that memory managers do give you a bit more memory with a speed trade off. They slow the system down a bit for some programs. That's what i was refering to. Generally, if you don't need them, don't use them. The guy asked for max speed, and that's what i gave him. And as the accusation of me running Win95 and not knowing shit, um, i was refering to OS/2 which is a very capable memory manager and OS that provides "more than a few extra kB". Like i said. Next time i'll be blunt. About the IRQ's... it's true. It may not help sound quality any and it may irrelevant, but that's how it works. Don't flame me for posting arcane PC tech info. About the drivers, i was refering to people who hoped the NT driver that guy is working on would work for Win95, not the other way around. I was hoping for a response from the author of the driver, not to be flamed. More relevant stuff: Yes, the new MegaEm works well with GUS/SBPro setup. In the interactive setup for MegaEm, disable the SB Emulation. Works fine on Tie Fighter. And in general, i agree with the call for a word from Gravis. There are a lot of people here who would like support for their non-DOS OS's and i'm with them. Hell, most people would like a Win3.1 driver that is consistant and doesn't require user input depending on the application being run. It seems the on going Win3.1 driver ordeal is like one long beta program with no end in sight. Not a good sign if Gravis chooses to support more than 1 OS. How about a sign Gravis? Oh, and kudos to Bret at GravisTech@aol.com. He may not have detailed answers, but he does reply... AND: Mr. Timmerman, if you disagree with my comments, or my trying to help people, take it to ME, not the digest. Later. Baskin Co Owner, Chief Technician Team OS/2 Lil' Squiggle Computers bbaskin@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ From: CRAIGK@ACS.TAMU.EDU Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: The GUS Daily Digest V23 #16 >Neal Pitts' info: Nononono! The Interwave will NOT support the SB in hardware. >It will do so by a program called SBOS (gulp). General MIDI support will be >supported to some extent by the Interwave but most of it will come through a >shim which sounds amazingly like Megaem to me. As for GUS support - if a This is enough to make me never buy anything from Gravis again. Windows 95, OS/2, Windows NT, and Linux are the way the world seems to be going and they are still relying on NMI and protected mode? They may have produced a great piece of hardware, but their software is severely lacking. Unfortunately, now that I have heard the GUS I can't go buy a SB and be satisfied. I really want to hear that gravis is going to get a programming team and knock out drivers for all these operating systems *yesterday* and SB compatibility TSRs that will run under something other than plain DOS/Windows. Otherwise my next sound card purchase will definitely not be gravis. Likewise with almost everyone I know. Craig ------------------------------ From: Mr Jaimie Vandenbergh Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:09:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Dark Forces Well, from personal experience, there are at least two versions of the DF demo floating around. The one that was on all the cover CDs a few months back did NOT support the gravis, whereas the one that's on the Full Throttle CD (yah, the bought one) does. Okay? J ------------------------------ From: -Vince- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Toshiba 4x vs Sony 4x Hi everyone, I would like some opinions regarding the 4x SCSI CD-Roms from Toshiba 3601 and SONY like how do they differ in speed and which one is the best and also what functions are available on the faceplate? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. P.S. Also, do anyone of them come with audio cables for the GUS Max? Cheers, - -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! ------------------------------ From: ekadish@cris.com (Eugene Kadish) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 22:46:47 EDT Subject: Need info on TEAC 4X CDROM I just purchased the Teac Quad speed cdrom drive but couldn't get it to work with my Gus Max. I connected it to the Panasonic connector, jumpered the Panasonic enabled jumper and tried several base addresses (320, 340, 360). The Teac driver loads and so does Mscdex but when I switch to the cd drive and type dir, the system locks. For now I'm using the 8bit controller card that comes with the drive. Three questions: 1-Will it work off the Gus Max? 2-If it will work, is there a way to get the audio cable connected to the Gus? 3-Is there an advantage in having it connected to the Gus over the Teac card? - -------------- Eugene Kadish ekadish@cris.com - -------------- ------------------------------ From: bbaskin@mail.utexas.edu (Bryan K. Baskin) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 09:35:31 EDT Subject: response from Gravis@aol.com To Micheal: Thanks for correcting my "finger fart". Manley Question: His drivers provide: 16bit, 44kHz playback, no volume control, native mod player (UltiMOD), native midi coming soon. No recording. Thats in OS/2 proper. In a DOS VM: It virutalizes the card so that DOS software works fine (games, XTC-Play, Cubic, Playmidi, etc.). SBOS and MegaEM will not work, but his driver provides GM-Emulation when registered. Win3.1 drivers are VxD's and will not run under OS/2 so no native Win sound, but you can load the MPU401 driver for windows and he says it'll work and i'm sure it does. They are designed to smoothly allow DOS sessions and this is why they are good. Hey, I got a response from Gravis@aol.com. My question was: >Hello, > >I am a bit concerned about the very long delay and lack of news since >the alpha release last December. OS/2 is a growing market but without >proper drivers, your card is nearly useless with this operating >system. We need a good stable driver that allows native digital/midi >and a DOS VDD. This last part is very important. I've been using >Manley's drivers, but i have recently discovered that they seem to be >destabilizing some DOS programs and this is unacceptable. So now i >turn to the company to whom i payed my $129 for software which should >have been available long ago. > >The state of the DOS software has impressed me with its abilities >(emulations), but the Win31 software was always the weakest part of my >Windows setup. I sincerely hope you guys have started work on Win95 >drivers as everyone else will be tired of waiting by the time Win95 >rolls out. Creative Labs and MS are bed buddies and y'all need to be >on the ball. > >But what i really want to know is whats been giong on since December? >Are they canceled? Dropped for Win95? Should i get a new soundcard? > >Please respond... At the time i thought there was a problem with Manley's drivers, but it was just a piece of corrupted software, NOT his problem. Anyway, Gravis's response was: >I'm really sorry, and to be quite frank with you, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!!!!!!! Not the kind of attitude i like from a company i paid good money to. We are the customer, and they exist because of us. They can also cease to exist because of us. I seriously hope this was a joke... but i'm not laughing. Later. 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